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Education Gadfly Show #795: Why we should test in K–2

Michael J. Petrilli Dale Chu David Griffith Amber M. Northern, Ph.D.
11.10.2021
 

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Dale Chu, senior visiting fellow at Fordham and independent education consultant, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to make the case for K–2 standardized testing. He wrote about this same topic earlier this month, noting that widespread distaste for such assessments would make implementing this change challenging. But he argued that the alternative is to continue burying our heads in the sand about our children’s most formative years, which would be unfair to students and teachers. Then on the Research Minute, Amber Northern discusses a CALDER study examining the effects of remedial English language arts courses in middle school on postsecondary outcomes.

Amber's Research Minute:

Umut Özek, “The Effects of Middle School Remediation on Postsecondary Success: Regression Discontinuity Evidence from Florida,” CALDER Working Papers (September 2021).

Recommended content:

  • Follow Dale on Twitter at @Dale_Chu.
  • Dale’s points summarized his Flypaper post, “The case for K–2 testing.”
  • For why we need better data on kindergarteners, see Mike’s Fordham article on literacy gaps, “The college gender gap begins in kindergarten,” and also a previous podcast episode, “The Education Gadfly Show: Early warning: Kindergarten readiness skills are trending downward.”
  • The study that Amber reviewed on the Research Minute: Umut Özek, “The Effects of Middle School Remediation on Postsecondary Success: Regression Discontinuity Evidence from Florida,” CALDER Working Papers (September 2021). 

Feedback welcome!

Have ideas or feedback on our podcast? Send them to our podcast producer Pedro Enamorado at [email protected].

Policy Priority:
High Expectations
Topics:
Accountability & Testing

Michael J. Petrilli is president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, research fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, executive editor of Education Next, and a Distinguished Senior Fellow for Education Commission of the States. An award-winning writer…

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Dale Chu is currently an independent consultant on education programs and policy. His experience includes senior positions at the Indiana and Florida Departments of Education. During his service in Indiana, Dale helped to develop and implement all of the state’s key education reform initiatives ranging from educator effectiveness and school/district accountability to collective bargaining and school choice.

Dale’s…

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David Griffith is the Associate Director of Research at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where he manages or authors reports on a variety of subjects, in addition to co-hosting the Institute's weekly podcast The Education Gadfly Show. A native of Portland, Oregon, David holds a bachelor’s degree in politics and philosophy from Pomona College and a master’s degree in public policy from Georgetown…

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Amber Northern is senior vice president for research at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where she supervises the Institute’s studies and research staff.  She has published in the areas of educational accountability, principal leadership, teacher quality, and academic standards, among others. Prior to joining Fordham, she served as senior study director at Westat. In that role, she provided evaluation services…

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